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Re: Ouch - those used landcruisers!

Post by Peridot » Dec 20th, '17, 23:23

Discussion on this thread seems to be fairly wide ranging, so I will add a Jeep story. I bought it in June and extolled it's virtues in an earlier post. We are planning a long trip in the new year so attempted to get the radio reception improved. The technician was following speaker wires forward along the sill by the driver's door when the curtain air-bag over the passenger windows exploded. I was sitting 3m behind him and got a hell of a fright.

That night I found a warning on a Jeep website - if you are working near the driver's seat or seat-belt restraints, isolate the battery first. Too late.

To cut a long story short, the air-bag is available but the ORC Module is discontinued and unavailable. I have just written to Customer Care Fiat (who own Jeep) pleeding for some assistance. Will report again in due course.

I may be looking for a new tow vehicle. (All for the want of a horse-shoe nail.......)
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Re: Ouch - those used landcruisers!

Post by zebedee » Dec 21st, '17, 00:54

Peridot wrote:To cut a long story short, the air-bag is available but the ORC Module is discontinued and unavailable. I have just written to Customer Care Fiat (who own Jeep) pleeding for some assistance. Will report again in due course.
This may be relevant?

https://www.chrysler.com/universal/webs ... df/R06.pdf
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Re: Ouch - those used landcruisers!

Post by Peridot » Dec 21st, '17, 08:34

Hi Zeb. I did see that recall but I think it was about 2012, so assumed if it was relavant it would have been done. Interesting that ORC Modules were not availble then either.

Will sit on this for a while, don't want to let the man that caused the problem off the hook yet.

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Post by INMA » Dec 21st, '17, 08:54

Peter, you don't state what year or model you have.

Given the earlier recall and it appears there is a known fault that occurred on your car, i suggest youlook for a local recall.

The Department of Transport in Canberra would be a good place to start with a letter explaining your incident, reference to the American recall and a request for them to investigate. Lack of spare parts is evidence your failure is not isolated.

Then write to the Jeep dealer with a similar letter stating the fault is a latent defect and demand they fix it. A copy of the letter to the State's Consumer Affairs would help if Jeep don't act.
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Post by INMA » Dec 21st, '17, 09:13

There are very few manufacturers who value their reputation over profit.

I have a very long memory when I've discovered a dealer or manufacturer hid the truth from me and my retaliation has been swift and effective when the company values their reputation.

In my experience the good include Toyota, Ford, Holden, Mercedes and Honda.

From observation the bad seem to be VW, Jeep, Nissan, and Renault.

I never forget. I own a Nissan bought second hand with known faults, bought at a price adjusted for the faults.

If you paid top dollar for the Jeep, this is annoying, if it was cheap, younow pay the price of dealing with Jeep.

Now Australia is buying world cars, things like warranty will be controlled from off shore so expect things to get worse. A typical way of exporting profit is to make the local company pay for warranty and recall repairs then not reimburse them from overseas. Scania did this when I was their product Engineer in the 80s. With profits being stripped by warranty work, the local businesses are pushed to limit the cost of the work. The tax department does not seem interested in such tax avoidance and we get bad service.
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Re: Ouch - those used landcruisers!

Post by Peridot » Dec 21st, '17, 09:35

The warning I referred to in my post was quite specific, I just can't find i again. It related to alarms and said if you are going to work in the area of the driver's seat or seat-belt restraints, you must disconnect the negative lead and wait one minute, or there is a risk of setting off the curtain airbag on the passenger side. Exactly what happened. Someone running a business specializing in the instalation of car audio equipment should not take risks with air-bags, especially jeeps. He also drives one himself, but a 98 model.

This is the dealer's reference to year/make/model :
04/CHRYSLER JEEP/KJ MY2005 Renegade WAG 5

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Post by Peridot » Dec 21st, '17, 12:58

I have created an international incident. I did a live chat with Chrysler in Detroit, they referred me to Fiat/Chrysler in Europe. They asked for more info, sent last night. The reply this morning says since I am in Australia they have referred my "complaint" to their Asia Pacific counterparts. I wonder where they are? (Sideshift).

I have some Jeep owners in the States if they have iny information on the recal.

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Post by Peridot » Dec 21st, '17, 13:02

My tablet is getting loaded up with all this rubbish and the keypad is not working properly. So a lot of spelling errors, not all of which I see until the third reading. Sorry again.

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Post by Wanton » Dec 21st, '17, 14:45

Peridot wrote:My tablet is getting loaded up with all this rubbish and the keypad is not working properly. So a lot of spelling errors, not all of which I see until the third reading. Sorry again.

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Hey :shock: :shock: I know how that feels. 4th time read and still errors. :roll: That is why my posts are edited so many times. :lol:
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Post by Peridot » Dec 21st, '17, 16:55

Guess what ? Fiat/Chrysler Asia Pacific phoned this pm. They are in Melbourne. First call said the part is discontinued. Yes we know that but is there an alternative ? I was in the supermarket for the second call, had trouble understanding the accent with the background noise, waiting on an email.

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Re: Ouch - those used landcruisers!

Post by Pirate » Dec 25th, '17, 00:35

G'day Luke,

Sounds like you have your heart set on a crusier, but are struggling with finding the "right one"..... dont despair the right one will find you.
Took me over a year for my cruiser to catch up with me, I'd looked at the best part of 30 odd cruisers from down south to as far away as Brisbane and I dont mean just looking online either, actually went and drove them.
As fate would have it my truck lived less than half an hour down the road as it turned out and it was love at first sight when we finaly met.

You need to gain a lot of knowledge on the variations in the series your looking at, petrol, non-turbo diesel, factory turbo'd diesel and after-market fitted turbo systems....
Google is your friend here, but you need to add other informative knowledge bases to that, probably time you stepped into the Facebook world and joined a few landcruiser groups..... there are lots of great groups offering a wealth of know-how and obviously vehicles for private sale.

With the prices you quoted in your initial post I'm surprised you didn't leave the dealers smelling of vasoline as they were certainly about to do you over big time...

Be patient. ..... know your stuff..... and the right one will find you
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Re: Ouch - those used landcruisers!

Post by Peridot » Jan 9th, '18, 20:09

At long last ! We have progress on the replacement of the blown air bag in the Jeep. The air bag has to come through the franchised supplier via USA. It contains a pressure cylinder so cannot come by air. Delivery 4 to 6 weeks. No options.

The Occupant Restraint Control Module is discontinued but after a steep learning curve and some help from an American Jeep KJ forum, I found 2 stockists in USA. the dealer cannot buy from them without compromising his franchise. After a lot of pushing from me they have found one south somewhere and have been assured it can be reconfigured. Progress.

So it is now 6 weeks since the "mishap", and at last a quote is being prepared for the insurance company. Progress, I may sleep better tonight.

One other thing I have not mentioned to date, the curtain air bag is over the passenger windows, covered by the cove in the hood lining. That is bent out with detonation and leaves a wrinkly crease in the fabric. This hood lining is also discontinued, but wait ! We have a quote coming from an upholsterer. Hope it works.

Our trip south was supposed to start mid Feb, 5 weeks away. Here's hoping !
May see some of you then, and thanks for the support.

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Re: Ouch - those used landcruisers!

Post by JimJ » Jan 9th, '18, 23:12

It contains a pressure cylinder so cannot come by air.
Back last century I had to get a life raft from one of our aircraft re-certified by East-West in Tamworth.

We had to have this raft on board outside certain distances from land and therefore was part of the aircraft's equipment.

East-West had flights from Brisbane to Tamworth so just rockup at EW freight and air-freight it to Tamworth.

"Cannot do that my son".

"Why"

Has a compressed CO2 cylinder for inflation

So I could carry it all day as part of the aircraft's equipment, but to put it on another aircraft as freight was a No No.

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Re: Ouch - those used landcruisers!

Post by INMA » Jan 9th, '18, 23:51

Airbags are dangerous goods because they are energised by an explosive cartridge with the energy level of a medium sized pistol bullet.

Modern airbags are electrically initiated.

The safety cases (documented proof) to shift most airbag assemblies would not pass aviation requirements. They can't legally be transported by civilian aircraft.

So their transport would be confined to companies who also transport other dangerous goods such as ammunition.

The deployment of airbags involves an explosion where the expanding gases propel the bag fast enough to counter impacts and accelerations.

The gases are very hot. The airbag has powder mixed in the gases to stabilize the heat release and suppress any flash.

Still airbags are known to burn people via friction and heat from the explosion.

If working around airbags, there are strict safety procedures to disable the initiation systems.

Disposal of old airbags is done by specialists on demolition ranges using ether electrical initiation or external explosives to destroy the cartridge. An airbag initiated outside a car is extremely dangerous.

I worked with contractors who made good money destroying old airbags.
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Re: Ouch - those used landcruisers!

Post by Peridot » Jan 10th, '18, 09:29

One thing I don't yet understand - if a control module from another car can be reconfigured, why can't the existing one in the car now be reconfigured to accept a new air bag ?

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