newbie sail question for my Gaffer

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newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by islandmarty » Feb 8th, '16, 14:34

the time has already come that I'm looking to push my old girl harder and harder but in lite winds she struggles a bit.

I have 1 topsail for the main mast which I still have no clue how to get it up there but I will figure it out soon enough once I can decide what the hell the hanks clip to. I believe I can squeeze another topsail on the mizzen mast and also a flying jib on the main mast.

all my sails are made by Hood and seem heavy duty but need repairs if they are going to last many more years. so my question is should I talk to the company that made the sails and look for them to build the extra sails and see if i can get them matching as close as possible. a quick google revealed Hood are in USA which confuses me a little but guess they have a factory in oz to maybe.

am i expecting to much from this boat? she seems to handle full sails rather well and in light breezes doubt the extra canvas would over stress the rig as it does look already set up for the extra small sails. my only real fear would be the danger of a sudden squall and the time it would take to get 7 sails down :shock:

finally got a picture of the boat with some sails up but it's probably the worst quality pic Ive seen yet. i had just tacked in that shot and you may spot the staysail still hasn't been reset but I was single handling the boat so it takes time with the crazy cleat set up :roll:

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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by ozsailer » Feb 9th, '16, 08:58

G'day Islandmarty,
just my two cents worth here but I think before you consider new sails you may wish to look at your rigging first. No use getting new sails if the rigging will not be able to handle the strain. On average rigging should be replaced every 12 to 15 years, not a cheap exercise but neither is replacing masts, booms and sails if the rigging fails.
In regard to sails. Having Hood sails on the boat does not mean you have to replace them with Hood sails. Any sailmaker will be able to replace your sails. It will come down to what material you want and you budget. (There is a Franchise in Sydney of Hood sails and I am told they are very good and reasonably priced.) Ask questions on where the sails are made, just because you go to a recognised loft it does not mean the sails are made there. For larger sails a majority of lofts, especially the big name loft will have the sails made over seas in countries such as China, Pakistan or Sri Lanka.
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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by islandmarty » Feb 9th, '16, 12:12

thanks Greg

i have been looking at the rigging and there are a few things that will need attention in the future. the first thing to go will be the rope lashings connecting the rigging to the boat. I just ordered some 6mm double braid to do the job but now it has arrived and i see it's to big for the job so will use it elsewhere i guess, how hard can it be to use up 100m of 6mm on a boat like this :cry:

it is possible the rigging on this boat is 35years old but I hope someone along the line has changed it.

the lashing on the triatic is worrying me because it almost looks like the knots are coming undone. not sure how to get up there yet i'm thinking a ladder might do the job.
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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by madmission » Feb 9th, '16, 12:35

you may find a trip to 2016 Wooden Boat Festival of Geelong interesting and helpful
http://www.geelongaustralia.com.au/even ... 500e6.aspx

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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Furstin » Feb 9th, '16, 13:01

By the sounds of it, you need to review the lot. Take a look a dyneema etc rigging.
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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Cooper » Feb 9th, '16, 16:53

While dyneema may be a good idea I think it would look out of place on a traditional timber boat with gaff rig. Just to my "lovely old boat" eyes anyway. :wink:

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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Furstin » Feb 9th, '16, 17:03

Galvanised then....

In place with low friction plates it looks probably more traditional....
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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Cooper » Feb 9th, '16, 17:28

That would be good. 8)

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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Furstin » Feb 10th, '16, 09:30

If you think about it - its far more traditional than the current stainless. With quality fittings it would look the business on a gaffer:

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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by islandmarty » Feb 10th, '16, 12:20

Furstin wrote:If you think about it - its far more traditional than the current stainless. With quality fittings it would look the business on a gaffer:
they look snazzy i only have stainless to a loop and the rope is wrapped multiple times back and forth. it was done with multiple colors so doesn't look very traditional. i'll get a pic next time I'm out.
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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Furstin » Feb 10th, '16, 18:22

Look for modified Brummel splice on YouTube and go from there. Good thing about a ketch is low centre of gravity and spread load. It should be fairly easy, but more of it!
Mojo did a great post on here about fitting his..
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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by islandmarty » Feb 11th, '16, 08:49

that splice looks simple but how does dyneema hold up in the sun? i have always been told the dyneema on my 4x4 winch will perish from exposure to UV
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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Mojo » Feb 11th, '16, 10:15

UV exposure isn't too bad. Last I heard they were still testing, but were saying at least 5 years life in the sun, but they were expecting that to increase.
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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Furstin » Feb 11th, '16, 16:19

Dux life expectancy: http://www.sailfeed.com/2012/11/life-ex ... c-rigging/

Good series and fitted to a boat not dissimilar... http://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/ask-sai ... -atlantic/
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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by islandmarty » Feb 12th, '16, 16:34

you guys are starting to scare me in regards to my old rigging i dont even have dead eyes :(

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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Cooper » Feb 12th, '16, 16:46

Just find an Old Gaffers forum and you will get more, if not better, information on such a specialised rig before you start getting the jitters. :wink: Plenty of them around the world and I am sure that they would be interested in your boat anyway. 8)

You got belaying pins though. How cool are they? Baggywrinkles and dead eyes and you will be positively number one in the chill factor.

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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by islandmarty » Feb 12th, '16, 17:27

the belaying pins are remarkably effective and easy to use the cross member in the pic needs work as it can slide up and down on the rig hence the telstra rope holding it down but it's kinda not high on the priority job list.

i had a quick look at a few woodenboat forums but nothing jumped out at me but I'm still browesing and if the right one comes along I will jump ship although this forum has helped me on my steep learning curve.
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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Cooper » Feb 12th, '16, 17:31

Google "Old Gaffers Forums" There is even one in West Oz. :roll:

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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by MoodyBlue » Feb 13th, '16, 08:30

Marty,
Get rid of any Telstra plastic (blue and yellow crap) that has been exposed to sun. It has ZERO uv stabilisers in it and will snap with ease even when it does not look visually too bad.

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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by islandmarty » Feb 13th, '16, 11:33

thanks jeff I removed a boat load of the stuff last trip it was even on my fenders. hoping to spend the weekend on her and i'm armed with a 100m roll of 6mm double braid. i'm planning to go nuts while I watch the paint dry from the sail lashings to maybe some sort of lazy jacks and I'm sure I can get creative with the spare line.

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Re: newbie sail question for my Gaffer

Post by Furstin » Feb 13th, '16, 11:37

3mm VB cord is good lazy jacks and cheap.
Black shock cord with clips for sail ties. Run a VB cord tight under length of boom, make up 1.x ft lengths of shock cord, whip an eye at one end and a hook or bobble on the other, whip lengths to VB cord at 2ft intervals. Or:
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